Armour to protect against Sword & Gun simultaneously?
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Posted on Wed Jan 18, 2006 1:54 am
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^^ i think what ur talking about was some new age body armor. im not sure if it ever came about. kevlar is strands that are extreamly strong and are in a special weave IIRC.
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Posted on Wed Jan 18, 2006 12:17 pm
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Dierdre,

For informations sake, I am not looking to make something to create absolute invulnerability, but simply to offer the same protection from swords as chainmaille, and same protection from bullets as kevlar. The only twist is at the same time. I am fully aware that while being shot with chainmaille on, it creates extra shapnel (Especially from butted maille) So uber chainmaille is out of the question.... unless it's welded and kinged E6-1 Mithril maille.... even then.

ArmoredDrake,

The interest:
As far as I know, there has been no protective equipment for both types of weaponry.

Also... War of the Roses. 1455-1487.
There were guns and swords. Not good.

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What's this about an intelligent auto-polymer?

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Posted on Wed Jan 18, 2006 4:02 pm
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that auto polymer is basicaly a thin cloth like material with like a goo in it that when it gets hit hardens instantly. i dont know much other than that.
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Posted on Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:14 pm
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Any information on this "Auto-polymer" would be greatly appreciated. Coif Smiley

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Posted on Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:45 pm
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Deirdre wrote:
If there was someone would have created it and our military would be wearing it.


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Posted on Sat Jan 21, 2006 1:14 am
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Ooo! Ooo! Will that trimmer help with my snoring?

Actually, short of that funky new Kevlar, you can protect against one or the other. Maille over Kevlar will make things worse. A .22 long will penetrate conventional Kevlar. Armor of any kind can only make the wearer resistant, as nothing is truly proof. It would take a lot to do it, but the Soviets probably had plans to take out NORAD Headquarters. As far as we?ve been told, there is no more fortified place on the planet. That said, body armor that a civilian could reasonably expect to protect from multiple threat types like you are talking about is highly unlikely at best.


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Posted on Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:59 am
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NORAD is now the "cheyenne mountain defense center". and, in case you were wondering.. they don't like people going for hikes on thier hillside.

i know from personal experience.

i was "escorted" down.

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Posted on Mon Jan 23, 2006 5:41 am
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Posted on Sat Jan 28, 2006 5:39 pm
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I know this idea is completely unfeasable, would take tons of time, money and expertise, but if completed could be sold for a fortune or be sword proof, as in it can't be cut. But someone's got to think of these ideas:

Use wootz Damascus steel links, and forge them directly on to the maille. I say forged, because if cooled to become normal links, NOBODY would be strong enough to close them. Also, any metal being forged shut would ensure that there are no weak spots. It would be average weight, also, for Damascus steel swords were prized for their strength, flexibility, AND lightness compared to other swords of their extreme sharpness.

Of course, reality sets in when one thinks about the time it would take to close a red hot ring, and then hammerforge it until it is entirely whole. You would be lucky to maille 15 rings a day, working 12 hours non stop. Then there's making the rings, in which you'd have to forge the rods directly from the ingot, and then draw, wind and cut them, all while they're red hot...

On the other hand, one could have TRL scale-shaped Damascus steel scales, with 2 small extra holes drilled in slightly underneath the top main hole. The two small holes would enable four rings to attach it on to the maille underneath, instead of the usual two, which would make it stronger and prevent the porcupine effect. This drilling extra holes is something I plan on doing for normal scales Very Happy .


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Posted on Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:00 am
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What are the chances that damascus plates/scales/rings would provide a moderate amount of protection against a small handgun?

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Posted on Sun Jan 29, 2006 3:52 am
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Slim to none. A lead bullet would fragment and shrapnel would find its way through into whoever is wearing the maille ? even if the maille itself held up against the force of impact. Plus, being flexible, that force would still cause considerable damage to the wearer even if no fragments got through. You would need a gambeson comparable to a Newtsuit to escape that, which kind-of makes the maille redundant. Another thing to remember is that a small caliber weapon concentrates all it?s energy in a smaller area. Conventional Kevlar may stop a .45 but a .22 long can slip through breaking the few strands that get in the way.

This whole thing ? mixing bullets and maille ? is a bad idea.


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Posted on Sun Jan 29, 2006 11:39 pm
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Once again, this armour need not be maille.

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Posted on Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:04 am
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HerrBGone wrote:
This whole thing ? mixing bullets and maille ? is a bad idea.

Maille hit by a bullet would produce schrapnel, but I very much doubt the schrapnel would penetrate a kevlar vest underneath. I also expect a bullet having penetrated maille to be dinged up or have its ballistics messed up enough to reduce its penetrating power through kevlar.

But if you were serious about reinforcing a kevlar vest to better resist a sword, consider 14-18ga. steel scales. In any case I agree it's best to not get shot or hit with a real sword in the first place.

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Posted on Mon Jan 30, 2006 1:10 pm
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HerrBGone wrote:

In any case I agree it's best to not get shot or hit with a real sword in the first place.


Heh. Too late. Ask my leg.

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Posted on Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:08 am
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I think the most important point to remember that even the multi-threat vest are only good for about one use. After that you replace it. Kevlar vest should be replaced every couple of years and every time it is damaged. IMO Having to replace your armor every time it takes damage wouldn't be a wise choice.


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