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My first chainmail project, thanks to this community
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Posted on Fri Mar 09, 2012 12:47 am
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Hi folks, I started working on my first chainmail project on the 15th of December and I got it finished 4th of March. I thought I would come back and post it as much of what I have learned comes from this community and I thank you all for the resources.

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Specification is Butted 14 Gauge Mild Steel - 9mm ID Rings

I made this as a prototype for this years fancy dress costume, an early medieval knight. The final chainmail project will be of the following specification:

Riveted 18 Gauge 17/7PH 304 Stainless Steel 6mm ID Rings
Mill Certified with a tensile strength of 750 n/mm2 and with carbon content means I can learn a bit about tempering.

I bought 150m's of the 304 stuff to play with, not as cheap as the mild steel but the increase in strength is totally obvious. I really look forward to my final chainmail outfit, although I figure it will probably take 6~7months if not a little more.

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Noel Craig
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Posted on Fri Mar 09, 2012 1:41 am
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That looks awesome man.

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Posted on Sun Mar 11, 2012 10:49 pm
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Oooh, tigers. Smile I'm more distracted by them than the maille. Hehe. Still, great work!

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Posted on Tue Mar 13, 2012 6:36 pm
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WOW you jumped in with both feet for a first project. I figured it would of been a bracelet or something! Surprised



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Posted on Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:43 pm
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My motivation for diving in the way I did, is simply because I have developed a huge taste and drive for fancy dress. Last year for my 28th birthday, I flew to london to buy my first costume, here I am, at london wearing that very costume! It took me alot of time saving for it. He now stands guard in my room, but every so often, I bring him out to patrol the city streets and the joy n laughter that he brings to people is pretty sensational.

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My next costume is going to be a 12/13th century knight. It will feature an 18 Gauge Pembridge helm, a surcoat made of 4 ply silks, a mantle and wreath made of the same material. The chainmail will be properly riveted and tempered in 18 gauge. Belt, sword handle, boots and sheath, probably all custom made of the same matching tan leathers and I am very tempted to design a crown for him, possibly in gold with real gemstones.

Thats why I needed to learn and have the balls to dive in there, otherwise I will never make that project a reality Smile

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Posted on Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:29 pm
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Great job! Uber

Could you post some close-ups of your shoulder area attaching to your sleeves?

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Posted on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:03 pm
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Hi, I hope this image explains my actions
on the shoulder area, I have highlighted
the area of importance



My oppinion is that this is a simple, clean
looking way to add a sleeve to a body for
fancy dress use. That is what I need, that is
all I need.

However

There is I suppose a different way to look at
this. In combat, this method will beyond any
doubt create a weak spot in your maile, the
entire connection between arm and body is the
weak spot and its gonna fail if its abused enough,
specially when using butted mild steel.

Therefore

I would never advertise this simple method for
anything beyond light use, trust me. I put this
maile on a guy slightly larger than me, he didnt
really fit it well, but because his bigger shoulders
put more stress on this shoulder / body weakspot,
some rings began to open, proving its vulnerability.

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Posted on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:11 pm
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Noel wrote:
However

There is I suppose a different way to look at
this. In combat, this method will beyond any
doubt create a weak spot in your maile, the
entire connection between arm and body is the
weak spot and its gonna fail if its abused enough,
specially when using butted mild steel.

Therefore

I would never advertise this simple method for
anything beyond light use, trust me. I put this
maile on a guy slightly larger than me, he didnt
really fit it well, but because his bigger shoulders
put more stress on this shoulder / body weakspot,
some rings began to open, proving its vulnerability.


I, can'thelp...
Reading, this, entireepost...
In... William, Shatner's, voice.

Coif LoL

Seriously though, perfect attachement for a costume... Tons of flexability in that!


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Posted on Fri Mar 16, 2012 11:37 pm
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wow really nice job! I had the ambition for that at one time, but not now with kids. Very well done and I can't wait to see your next project.


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Posted on Sat Mar 17, 2012 12:41 am
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Daemon_Lotos wrote:

I, can'thelp...
Reading, this, entireepost...
In... William, Shatner's, voice.

Coif LoL

Seriously though, perfect attachement for a costume... Tons of flexability in that!


Coif LoL Coif LoL Coif LoL Coif LoL

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Posted on Sat Mar 17, 2012 1:36 am
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That looks like a good working join. But I'd add some further links, to grab all shoulder border links, and even add some stability by removal of single points of failure. These are sketched green into my image cut-out.


-ZiLi-


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A single link will be worth nothing.
A chain is of use, but will break at the weakest link.
A weak weave will have the need to replace weak links.
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Posted on Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:51 am
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Congratulations on finishing this massive project! I finish a necklace and I feel like celebrating so I can only imagine what calling this one "done" was like. Can't wait to see the full knight costume, by the way. As much as I like seeing maille pieces, I also like seeing maille as part of a larger work. Nice Stormtrooper by the way. Smile

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Posted on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:27 pm
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Zili makes a good point here and worth recognising. This approach
will even out the stresses across a wider range of rings making
failure less likely. I think I will use your technique in my final riveted
maile and I'll save that screenie of yours for reference, thanks for
posting it.

Thanks Didgeboy, it was a great sense of accomplishment for me
as being someone who has designed only on computers, I never
thought myself capable of doing intricate things by hand.

This is a rough mock up the Knight costume, belt will in fact be tan.



I have allocated the Surcoat making job to a young local student of dressmaking. She is working on the prototype for it now. She will need to build up her portfolio if she wants a good university and a good career so I figured this would be an above average opportunity for a girl her age.

This is the actual helm I am getting, it has been stuck in back order for 3 months


The helm will feature a Mantle and Wreath just like the one below and the same local student will be making it.


When the costume is completed, I might consider sending it out
for a few laps around the local schools to brighten up history lessons
or in the case of young children fairy tales of knights and dragons etc.
Should put a smile on any kids face, I had no such fun at school which
is probably why I slept through most of it.

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Posted on Tue Mar 20, 2012 5:34 am
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The one thing I don't understand is why you call it a prototype. You have made armor that well suits the purpose you want. There is no need to make it out of smaller links or rust resistant links if it's going to stay on a stand inside. Why not pick a new weave for the 18g and make another "prototype". Remember out of 1000+ weaves in the library European 4in1 is but one and the most common of them all.

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Posted on Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:03 am
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There is a few reasons for it djgm

1: I underestimated the weight of 14 gauge steel too late into the project to start going backwards. I only weigh about 80Kg, so wearing maile that is 12kg is by itself a tall order, but when you factor in the weight of everything else, wearing it will become a dreadfull experience. So my next one will be in 18 gauge instead.

2: He wont be on a stand all the time, I do go out into the public with my costumes sometimes. It rains all year round in Ireland and mild steel does not last long in this country unless it is constantly maintained. I cannot be bothered with this. So thats why im going to go with stainless.

3: I get the added bonus of learning about tempering with the 304 wire, which I find really interesting. I really enjoy learning about the different conditions that steel can form and how these conditions alter the steels characteristics.

4: I find smaller rings to be visually more pleasing than larger ones, its just a personal preference more than anything.

5: I am working on a smaller scailmail related project before moving onto the next armour. This will be a skirt with a removable scailmail outer shell. I want to link the scails together using flattened riveted rings as a way of gaining the experience I need before moving on to the next armour.

6. Dont worry, I have looked at some of the amazing patterns and I will be using them, but only in small jewelry related projects as gifts to friend and family.

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