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| Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:19 pm |
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Hey all,
Has anyone been looking at the weaves submissions lately? There's what looks to be about a month's worth in need of attention, but I don't want to step on toes....
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
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| Posted on Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:26 pm |
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It's all Tesserex.. But he's very busy with school lately.
It was kind of decided that only one person should look after it, and he 'sees' the weaves more than most individuals, from a technical standpoint. It's funny that you bring this up, as I was just thinking about it in the last few days.
Maybe we need to recosider our options.
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Cynake
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| Posted on Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:48 am |
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I don't think we have much for options.
It kinda has to be one person that runs the show for weaves. For cohesion alone.
It's not like, say, the gallery or the articles where pretty much any one of us could stop by and help out in a tough spot. Any tampering we do in a weave admin's absence could do more harm than good, particularly in psychological terms. Just thinking of myself, I'd be less likely to return to my duties if I saw they were being taken care of, at least superficially, in my absence. Also, I'd feel like I had to run around and try to do research again, if I did return, having lost my mental map with all the changes. That would make me less likely to return too, because of the lump of effort all at once, it'd be hard to ease myself back in slow. And if not, it would make my every-day duties tougher until I'd re-familiarized myself.
Then there's the whole issue of qualification. Who here can even do Tess's job, or who, of who's not here, might we even nominate to fill that role?
Blaise - One thing we might do, is promote that batch of new volunteers we had lined up for the Gallery a few months back. I don't think you ever got around to giving them permissions and stuff. At least that'd fill our ranks as admins a little more, and give us more options in general. Do we even have anyone tasked to the Gallery right now?
.. which reminds me, I'm supposed to be handing contests now and have let that slack entirely. Or, hrm. Maybe I was thinking I'd wait until TRL's sculpture contest wraps up at the end of this month. If I'm running the next contest(s) I'll try advertising it on TRL as well, soon as their ends. Else, I dunno, I have little interest in doing anything with them other than being an admin placeholder. For all the effort it takes to run and answer questions and such, the couple entries we get seem not worth our time. Oh, and can we get Dave a colored ribbon by his name for winning last contest's best quilt patch? |
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| Posted on Sat Jan 12, 2008 6:43 am |
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Promoting I (or any super-admin, for that matter; it's in the 'My MAIL' section) can do, no problem. What was the list again?
The ribbon thing, I'll have to get Kith to tell me how she did those....
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
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| Posted on Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:20 pm |
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| Cynake wrote: | | Oh, and can we get Dave a colored ribbon by his name for winning last contest's best quilt patch? |
And fix the ones for sakredchao and AmoredDrake? Broken picture link.
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Cynake
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| Posted on Sat Jan 12, 2008 2:03 pm |
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Blaise - druid queen, mical, amadeus maxwell
... Haven't seen Amadeus in a while, Druid Queen not recently, and, Mical's around but doesn't post much. I dunno, maybe reconfirm they still want the chains?
http://www.mailleartisans.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=9363 <-- Source. |
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| Posted on Fri Jan 18, 2008 4:24 pm |
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*BOO!*
Mical does, someone should check with Druid Queen. No clue on Amadeus... |
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Kithplana
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| Posted on Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:08 am |
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I'll check out the ribbon thing tonight. All I do is upload it to the medals directory somewhere in the phpBB structure, log into admin in the board itself, go to a user's page, and follow the helpful directions by the input boxes. 
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Tesserex
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| Posted on Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:45 pm |
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Well hello again everyone. David is partially right, I am in school. However the thing that has really been sucking up all of my time is Pet Dragons, my Facebook application. I haven't actually made any maille in a long time, which I should, since I have a bunch of AA lying around in various small sizes. Basket, anyone?
I'll go through the weaves as soon as I'm done with this post. The dozen or so that were there last time I came around were maybes on my list. I didn't want to approve them, because they looked suspicious as close variants to me, but I also couldn't deny them, because I couldn't find duplicates of them. The potential solution brings me to my next point.
I'm very strongly in favor of getting MAIL 3.0 worked on immediately. Besides my time constraints, one of my MAJOR reasons I don't approve so many weaves is because I'm really starting to loathe the current system. I feel like I'm just heaping thing on my in-pile to just be resorted when the system is overhauled, and I don't like giving myself more work. However I'm more than willing to contribute to the project, if we could every finally get started after what, four years? We have the least coherent and least cooperative group of designers and developers I have ever seen.
So in the meantime, I'll see what I can do about the weaves, but please feel free to have someone else jump in once in a while to clean up any long queues. If you have any questions about the weaves just let me know. My email works. DA just used it to drag me back here.
Let me also just say I don't like how its said that it must be a one man operation. It makes it sound like everyone is just scared of the weaves queue and refuses to offer any assistance. I ask around about weaves plenty of times and I almost never get answers, if ever they're from Kim or DA. Usually it's a simple question like "do you recognize this?" |
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Cynake
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| Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:36 am |
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| Tesserex wrote: | | I'm very strongly in favor of getting MAIL 3.0 worked on immediately. Besides my time constraints, one of my MAJOR reasons I don't approve so many weaves is because I'm really starting to loathe the current system. I feel like I'm just heaping thing on my in-pile to just be resorted when the system is overhauled, and I don't like giving myself more work. However I'm more than willing to contribute to the project, if we could every finally get started after what, four years? We have the least coherent and least cooperative group of designers and developers I have ever seen. |
Everyone has crap to do, or doesn't have the skills to get the job done. High talent is in short supply.
I'm willing to do as much as I can, I'm willing to spend as much time as it takes to find the best system and spec it out as clearly as possible for a coder, but, I don't know the first thing about writing a database or even how to approach rebuilding the site.
The things you'd like to see in MAIL 3.0 are different than my shortlist. For a weaves overhaul, I want to see better cross-referencing, individual weave pages, and collaborative content. Those are mostly cosmetic changes. But, those wouldn't solve your problems, would they?
What's on your list for the overhaul? You want the "families" thing mostly torn down and replaced with a one-to-many labeling system? Are you still gung-ho on some variant of that list-less search-only system?
Bunch of database work, but, whatever. Lets clearly spec it out first. I don't quite really understand all that you think we need done.
| Quote: | | Let me also just say I don't like how its said that it must be a one man operation. It makes it sound like everyone is just scared of the weaves queue and refuses to offer any assistance. |
Hrm. Well, you're the weaves admin, but...
What if I started approving weaves (presuming I do it correctly and they are unique)? Aren't you going to become lost?
What if one weave is submitted as "Hairy Testicles" one week, and I notice it's new and approve it. You don't notice. Then next week, an identical weave "Fuzzy Scrotum" is submitted, and you go "Yep, that's new, never seen that before" and approve it, meanwhile, I'm not checking your work either, and I'm not around to tell you "Hey, that's exactly like a weave I approved last week."
If more than one person is approving weaves, every single time a new weave is considered, the entire weave database has to be looked through again for dupes, instead of on person being able to say "Yep, I know every weave that passes through here, and there's nothing like that yet." I mean, you might have to poke around here and there, but you're certain to be familiar with every weave at least, and there are no raging unknowns. |
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| Posted on Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:39 pm |
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So in the meantime, I'll see what I can do about the weaves, but please feel free to have someone else jump in once in a while to clean up any long queues. If you have any questions about the weaves just let me know. My email works. DA just used it to drag me back here.
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I'll poke my head in once in awhile and see what I can do to help.
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Tesserex
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| Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:42 am |
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Ok Cynake, I see you have a very good point. But even if others shouldn't be approving weaves, I could really use more help identifying some. It's very common that I'll look at a submission and think "Wow, that really looks familiar, I'm sure I've seen it before somewhere, but I just can't remember the name!" and since it's a random name it can't be searched. That's where I could use help.
As far as my list, it's very similar to yours. Those things would help me, because it's at least a place to put the new information. Having the new attributes in a database that we can search is also important. The one-to-many thing is basically what I'm going for. So on one weave's page, it will say things like "Make this change and you get (linked) this weave!" and so on for several variants. Weaves that are very similar, maybe by a doubling or spiral or something would just go on the same page instead of being linked to their own pages. |
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| Posted on Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:38 pm |
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Tell you what, Tess. I don't have huge amounts of time, but if you start a thread here in the Admin forum with the specific requirements you have, I will see what I can do about trying to rewrite just the weaves section. If we keep it simple, and I'm tricky with the database redesign, I can rework the current stuff while not completely dead-ending it from a future upgrade...
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one."
— George Bernard Shaw
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